
Kealan, a surgeon, and Cody, a financial advisor, discuss the intersection of faith, generosity, and personal finance. They’re joined by a variety of guests, including pastors, financial advisors, radically generous givers, entrepreneurs, CEOs, and nonprofit leaders to explore one central question: How do we best steward God’s wealth? On The Finish Line Podcast, you’ll hear challenging and inspirational stories of tremendous generosity. You’ll also learn from experts in multiple fields about topics like setting a financial finish line, giving efficiently and effectively, and teaching generosity to your children. More than anything, though, you’ll see how God is constantly at work redeeming the world He created and loves. Visit the website at www.finishlinepledge.com to learn more.
Episodes

Monday Feb 13, 2023
Monday Feb 13, 2023
David Campaigne is Partner and Senior Private Wealth Advisor at Ronald Blue Trust and lives in Baltimore with his wife and two children. David’s parents had a massive impact in his life not only in teaching him what it means to be a follower of Christ but what it means to live a generous life.
David thought he might end up in vocational ministry until God drew him into the business world. A few years after college David heard Jim Wise’s testimony, which drastically impacted his career. Not long after, Jim hired David to join him at Ronald Blue Trust.
David and his wife Kristin are involved in many ministries where they give of their time, talents, and treasures, and get excited about encouraging others to do the same. They feel strongly that they are not only supporters, but ambassadors of the ministries they support.
David shares about figuring out where to give as well as the need for accountability in your financial giving structure. He also shares about incorporating biblical wisdom on wealth into his job as an advisor as well as the unique and powerful effect a financial finish line has on your relationship with money. Listen now to hear all he had to say.
QUOTES TO REMEMBER
- “We are each born into someone else’s story”
- “Never underestimate the power of the ripple effect that each of us can have on other peoples’ lives”
- “Giving freely of our time, talents and treasures is the only antidote to selfishness, greed and materialism.”
- “A life well spent is a life that earns and uses money to buy time so that you can balance life in order to impact people, to be productive and Godly members of society and it’s a life that focuses on the eternal in the realm of the temporal so that when we get to the end of our lives, we’ll have been found faithful with what God considers important.”
- “Don’t just accumulate possessions, accumulate experiences. Possessions are a dime a dozen, it’s experiences that are the currency of a life well lived”
- “If you don’t set a finish line, you’ll never quit”
- “Do your giving, while you are living, so you’re knowing where it’s going”
- “A Change of place and a change of pace will give you a change of perspective”
LINKS FROM THE SHOW
- Ronald Blue Trust (see our interview with founder, Ron Blue)
- Rethinking Success, by J. Douglas Holladay
- Master Your Money (see our interview with author, Ron Blue)
- Your Life Well Spent, by Russ Crosson
- A Trip Around the Sun, by Mark Batterson & Richard Foth
- The Treasure Principle (see our interview with author Randy Alcorn)
- God and Money (see our interviews with co-authors Greg Baumer and John Cortines)
- The Circle Maker, by Mark Batterson
- The Christmas Carol, by Charles Dickens
- Win the Day, by Mark Batterson
- Article: National Christian Foundation January 2021 - 5 Reasons volunteering is good for you
- Wycliffe Bible Translators (see our interview with CEO John Chesnut)
- See our interview with Jim Wise financial advisor with Ronald Blue Trust.
- Hope International (see our interview with founder, Jeff Rutt or CEO, Peter Greer)
- Kingdom Advisors (see our interview with founder, Ron Blue)
- The Finish Line Community Facebook Group
- The Finish Line Community LinkedIn Group
BIBLE REFERENCES FROM THE SHOW
Psalm 90:10 & 12 | Number our days
10 The years of our life are seventy, or even by reason of strength eighty; yet their span is but toil and trouble; they are soon gone, and we fly away. 12 So teach us to number our days that we may get a heart of wisdom.
Ephesians 5:15-17 | Understand the will of the Lord
Look carefully then how you walk, not as unwise but as wise, making the best use of the time, because the days are evil. Therefore, do not be foolish, but understand what the will of the Lord is.
Leviticus 17:11 | Life of the flesh is in the blood
For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it for you on the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that makes atonement by the life.
Luke 16:10-13 | Faithful in little
“One who is faithful in a very little is also faithful in much, and one who is dishonest in a very little is also dishonest in much. If then you have not been faithful in the unrighteous wealth, who will entrust to you the true riches? And if you have not been faithful in that which is another’s, who will give you that which is your own? No servant can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.”
1 Corinthians 3 | God makes things grow
I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the growth.
Matthew 6:19-21 | Layup treasures in heaven
“Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal, but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
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Monday Jan 30, 2023
Monday Jan 30, 2023
Jeff Rutt is the CEO and founder of Keystone Custom Homes, a Pennsylvania-based home building company that has built over 8000 homes. Jeff spent his early years growing up on the family farm, which became the focus of the early part of his career. However, after a series of No’s from God, Jeff eventually sold the farm and set out on a new path, that would eventually become Keystone Custom Homes.
God got Jeff’s attention very early in his career, especially in the area of generosity. It wasn’t long after starting Keystone that Jeff launched the organization that would become HOPE International. Since inception, HOPE has provided more than $1.5 billion dollars to more than 2.5 million small business owners across 24 countries in the form of microfinance loans in order to empower them to break their own cycle of poverty with the gifts God gave them.
Over the years, Jeff has used profits from Keystone to fuel HOPE’s mission. However, last year he took things another step further when he gave away 89% of the ownership of Keystone through the National Christian Foundation. Jeff shared about topics like how charity can become toxic, empowering those in poverty, giving your children purpose and mission, and the detailed process of how he gave his business away. Listen now to hear all he had to say!
QUOTES TO REMEMBER
- “Sometimes God doesn’t answer our prayers in the way we want them to be answered but it’s truly the best for us, best for Him and best for the Kingdom.”
- “Having kids work hard stay humble and understand what you can do for others not just what everybody else can do for them.”
- “If you don’t help your kids find a mission for their life, then they will find one themselves, and they aren’t always the best at finding that themselves.”
- “If God can get a hold of our hearts early on, that’s what sets the stage for a life of generosity.”
- “Hope dies last”
LINKS FROM THE SHOW
- Hope International (also see our interview with CEO, Peter Greer)
- Tomorrow Club
- Keystone Custom Homes
- Created to Flourish by Peter Greer
- Discovering Your Genius by Michael Gelb
- The Finish Line Community Facebook Group
- The Finish Line Community LinkedIn Group
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Monday Jan 16, 2023
Monday Jan 16, 2023
Jared Nelms is the CEO of The Timothy Initiative (TTI), a missions organization dedicated to discipleship, church planting, and reaching the unreached. Jared’s father was a pastor, so he grew up around the church. But he wasn’t so sure what he believed until God got his attention on a mission trip in Zambia as a young adult. His experience eventually led him to a career as a missionary abroad.
The Timothy Initiative was born out of the church Jared grew up in, however it quickly grew well beyond the capacity of one church body. TTI now works in countries all over the world with the goal of raising up 7000 pastors and planting 7000 churches. In particular, TTI focuses on empowering the local Christians in unreached regions to become leaders who train other leaders and to plant churches that plant other churches.
Jared is also a founding member of the Coalition of the Willing, a collaboration of many missions organizations who have agreed to share all their tracking and mapping data to answer the question: “Where is the church now and where is the church missing?” This coalition has rapidly accelerated and quantified the work that remains in reaching everyone everywhere with the gospel.
And according to Jared, finishing the task in our lifetime is certainly within reach.
Jared had plenty to say about strategy in missions, the importance of indigenous leaders, adapting to different cultures, the acceleration of collaboration in the missions space, and the work that remains. Listen now to hear all he had to share.
QUOTES TO REMEMBER
- “When you can get behind strong local leaders, you can maximize the kingdom impact so much more quickly than if you are trying to do it on your own from scratch”
- “The key to reaching the world is not through trained missionaries and professionals, it’s through the average Joe and Sue and any other local person”
- “Most powerful testimony is the transformation from death to life”
- “We’re not going after the result, only God can change the heart of somebody”
- “The fruitfulness is in God’s hands; the faithfulness is up to us.”
- “Every is believer called to be a disciple, every disciple is called to be a disciple maker”
LINKS FROM THE SHOW
- The Timothy Initiative
- The Coalition of the Willing
- Church Planters Circle
- See our interview with David Johnson, founder and CEO of Doulos Partners.
- See our interview with Bekele Shanko, president of GACX
- See our interview with Jim Wise, financial advisor with Ronald Blue Trust
- The Finish Line Community Facebook Group
- The Finish Line Community LinkedIn Group
BIBLE REFERENCES FROM THE SHOW
2 Timothy 2:2 | Entrust to faithful men, who will teach others
And what you have heard from me in the presence of many witnesses entrust to faithful men, who will be able to teach others also.
Matthew 10:16 | Sheep among wolves
“Behold, I am sending you out as sheep in the midst of wolves, so be wise as serpents and innocent as doves.
Matthew 9:37 | Harvest is plentiful, workers are few
Then he said to his disciples, “The harvest is plentiful, but the laborers are few”
Matthew 28:20 | Promise to be with us
And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.
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Monday Jan 02, 2023
Monday Jan 02, 2023
Nate and Bailey Eller both grew up in the church, but didn’t come into a deep relationship with Christ until college. God filled their hearts with a passion for generosity well before they had much to give. They began their marriage asking God to enable them to give freely, and He has faithfully answered that, allowing them to give more every year that they’ve been married for the last 10 years. As their level of giving increased, they began to explore where they could give above and beyond what they were already doing. After a season of prayer, God introduced them to a team of native missionaries working in Uganda, which planted in them a passion for empowering local indigenous missionaries to carry the gospel to their own people.
We had a number of questions for them about how they decide where to give and they graciously laid out their whole thought process for us. Nate and Bailey had much to share on topics like how to get started in generosity, how they stay aligned in their mission, and how they disciple their 4 children, including how they encourage a spirit of generosity. Listen now to hear all they had to share.
QUOTES TO REMEMBER
- “Even your goodness, your righteous acts, are like filthy rags compared to him.”
- “I always wanted to be able to give, because many people had given to me and my family.”
- “We began making more money, certainly more than we felt we deserved, and our hearts grew to give more.”
- “Our money is not for us, it’s for Him, and to return glory and blessing back to Him.”
- “If God blesses us with money, it’s so we can bless others so that His name might be made great.”
- “We wanted to live freely. We wanted to be able to give to things that mattered for eternity.”
- “Generosity is like an invitation from God.”
- “We try to align our giving with our passions.”
- “It’s a privilege to give, not an obligation, an opportunity to be invited into God’s story.”
LINKS FROM THE SHOW
- NeverThirst (see our interview with CEO Matt Letourneau)
- Radical (see our interview with CEO Chris Hunsberger)
- Compassion International
- Chase the Lion by Mark Batterson
- The Finish Line Community Facebook Group
- The Finish Line Community LinkedIn Group
BIBLE REFERENCES FROM THE SHOW
Isaiah 64:6 | We Are All Unclean We have all become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous deeds are like a polluted garment. We all fade like a leaf, and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away.
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Monday Dec 19, 2022
Monday Dec 19, 2022
Jim Wise lives in Florida and is a senior partner and financial advisor for Ronald Blue Trust. He has also authored multiple books and resources regarding biblical stewardship. Jim did not grow up in a Christian home and from a very young age had the desire to accumulate wealth. He studied finance and went from working in retail to working as a financial advisor where he found his niche. As he progressed in his career and became more successful, Jim began to seek out higher and higher levels of material wealth: more money, new cars, and new houses every few years. However, it was in this place that God finally got Jim’s attention.
After Jim and his wife separately came to Christ in the same week, their lives changed dramatically. To start, Jim studied the biblical principles of money and finance for the first 6 months of his new faith. However, it was putting these principles to the test by stepping into generosity that really fueled Jim’s faith as we saw God respond over and over. These early experiences challenged him to connect his faith with his work as a financial advisor, eventually leading him to join Ronald Blue Trust.
Jim had much to say on topics like why money can never satisfy, true financial freedom, and the enormous wealth transfer of trillions of dollars that is going to take place in the next few decades. In particular, Jim is passionate about encouraging others to think critically about how they handle inheritance for their children. He is also deeply motivated by the Great Commission to see the gospel brought to every tribe, nation, and tongue. In fact, he has done significant research to show that our generation of Christians already has all the financial resources needed to finish all the work that remains. Listen now to hear all Jim had to say.
QUOTES TO REMEMBER
- “Financial freedom will always and only be a function of how much money we are able to give away.”
- “Biblical stewardship wasn’t just something we read about in a book, it wasn’t just a Bible study, it became a part of who we are.“
- “Being generous is the only thing that can lead to financial freedom.”
- “Figure out what God is passionate about and direct your resources there.”
- “A Biblical study on what is on the heart of God, that we should be giving to is a very helpful in building a giving strategy.”
- “We are called to make disciples not converts.“
- “How much to the Kingdom and how much to the kids.”
- “It is very difficult to be consumed by God’s word every day and not have that automatically cultivate God’s missional heart inside you.”
LINKS FROM THE SHOW
- Ronald Blue Trust (see our interview with founder, Ron Blue)
- See our interview with Mark & Sharon Taylor, who attribute the deepening of their generosity to Jim’s guidance
- Jesus Film Project (see our interview with Executive Director Josh Newell)
- Faith Comes by Hearing (see our interview with VP Morgan Jackson)
- Master Your Money (see our interview with author, Ron Blue)
- The Finish Line Community Facebook Group
- The Finish Line Community LinkedIn Group
BIBLE REFERENCES FROM THE SHOW
Romans 10:17 | Faith Comes from Hearing
So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.
Matthew 28:19-20 | The Great Commission
19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.
Acts 1:7 | Times and Dates Set by the Father
He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by his own authority.”
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Monday Dec 05, 2022
Monday Dec 05, 2022
April Chapman is the CEO of Generous Giving, which seeks to create a safe pressure-free atmosphere for Christians to discuss deep-rooted biblical generosity through short overnight retreats and annual conferences. Few organizations have impacted the generosity movement in the U.S. more significantly over the past 20 years, and Generous Giving continues to be a powerful force of generosity today. April and her husband Craig began their careers as software engineers with Microsoft. Early on, God blessed them with two major windfalls that really launched their journey into generosity, eventually leading them to give away half of their earnings. April shares how generosity and faith begin with surrendering our will to God to make room for Him to fill us with His own power and direction, and that has certainly played out in her life. April shares on a variety of topics including managing windfalls, donor advised funds, impact investing, and choosing where to give. Listen now to hear all she had to share!
QUOTES TO REMEMBER
- “Give of your LIFE: Labor, Influence, Finances, and Expertise.”
- “In obedience, if we really start listening, God has some things to say to us.”
- “We look for opportunities where we can give of our labor, our influence, and our expertise alongside our money.”
- “There came a point at which we realized that surrender was key for both of us.”
- “How do we figure out not how much do we give, but how much do we keep?”
- “The vision of Generous Giving is to have God’s generosity put on display through His people.”
- “God has been so generous with us – how do we share that generosity with the world?”
- “How different would the world be if we were all as generous as we could be?”
- “I truly believe generosity is one of the best evangelism tools we have.”
- “People want to grow in community.”
- “I want Him to fill be with His power, but the only way I can do that is if I empty myself first.”
- “Impact investing became an engine to fuel our donor advised fund.”
LINKS FROM THE SHOW
- Generous Giving (see our interviews with cofounders Todd Harper and David Wills)
- Generous Giving's Journey of Generosity Groups and Celebration of Generosity Conference
- Mover of Men and Mountains, by R.G. LeTourneau (free audio here)
- Focus on the Family
- Cru (Campus Crusade)
- Mercy Ships
- WorldVision and the WorldVision Innovation Fund
- National Christian Foundation (see our interview with President Emeritus, David Wills)
- Praxis Labs
- Impact investing at the Impact Foundation
- The Finish Line Community Facebook Group
- The Finish Line Community LinkedIn Group
BIBLE REFERENCES FROM THE SHOW
Malachi 3:10 | Put Me to the Test
Bring the full tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. And thereby put me to the test, says the LORD of hosts, if I will not open the windows of heaven for you and pour down for you a blessing until there is no more need.
1 Chronicles 4:10 | The Prayer of Jabez
Jabez called upon the God of Israel, saying, “Oh that you would bless me and enlarge my border, and that your hand might be with me, and that you would keep me from harm so that it might not bring me pain!” And God granted what he asked.
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Monday Nov 21, 2022
Monday Nov 21, 2022
Andy Geleris is a neurologist from California and author of Money & Salvation: An Invitation to the Good Way. Though he didn’t grow up in a Christian family, there were several strong experiences of generosity that had a lasting impact on him at a young age. After becoming a Christian at age 17, Andy was fortunate to find a strong, faithful church where the gospel was preached. It was in that church community where he heard that growing in discipleship always requires growing in generosity – a message that has shaped his trajectory since that time.
Since that time, Andy has continued to grow a deep heart for generosity, not just for the impact that it has on those around us, but for the way it radically shapes our own hearts. Andy has written and spoken extensively about the importance of a generosity-filled life and shares his thoughts on topics like giving anonymously, the mistakes organizations make when fundraising, why a generous lifestyle is just as important for the poor, and eternal rewards as they relate to generosity. Listen now to hear all he had to share!
QUOTES TO REMEMBER
- “I hope that this message of a financial finish line will start being preached in pulpits across this country.”
- “Luther famously said their are three conversions everybody needs: the first is the head, the second is the heart, and the third is the wallet.”
- “One of the most important ways I can see if I believe is how I spend my money.”
- “What Jesus cares about is not how much money we give, but how much lifestyle.”
- “It’s almost like I have a little nuclear reactor of joy in the pit of my stomach.”
- “I think God cares more about my giving than about how effective that giving is.”
- “Every time Jesus talked about money, he talked about why giving was important for the soul of the person to whom he was talking.”
- “We are robbing poor people by not showing them how valuable spiritually it is for them to give even small amounts.”
- “Poor people have a tremendous advantage in earning eternal rewards.”
- “It turns out having wealth is not just working hard. It’s not just being smart. It’s not just taking advantage of god opportunities. It’s something as fundamental as having simple, good physical health.”
LINKS FROM THE SHOW
- Andy's book, Money & Salvation: An Invitation to the Good Way
- Money, Possessions, and Eternity (see our interview with author Randy Alcorn)
- Operation Mobilization
- Emotionally Healthy Discipleship
- Eternal Perspective Ministries (see our interview with founder, Randy Alcorn)
- The Finish Line Community Facebook Group
- The Finish Line Community LinkedIn Group
BIBLE REFERENCES FROM THE SHOW
Romans 10:9 | How to Be Saved
If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Matthew 7:22-23 | I Never Knew You
22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
Luke 21:1-4 | The Widow’s Offering
1 Jesus looked up and saw the rich putting their gifts into the offering box, 2 and he saw a poor widow put in two small copper coins. 3 And he said, “Truly, I tell you, this poor widow has put in more than all of them. 4 For they all contributed out of their abundance, but she out of her poverty put in all she had to live on.”
Proverbs 30:8 | Poverty and Riches
Give me neither poverty nor riches
Deuteronomy 8:18 | The Source of Wealth
You shall remember the LORD your God, for it is he who gives you power to get wealth, that he may confirm his covenant that he swore to your fathers, as it is this day.
Matthew 6:33 | Seek First the Kingdom of God
33 But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.
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Monday Nov 07, 2022
Monday Nov 07, 2022
Colby Gilmore is a financial advisor for Ronald Blue Trust with a particular passion for helping clients explore generosity. Colby’s passion for generosity began during a class he took at Biola University called God and Money. His experience in that course led him and his wife to make the largest gift they had ever made up to that point, one with significant consequences not only for the recipient, but for Colby and his wife as well.
Colby’s career in accounting and later financial advising eventually led him to Ronald Blue Trust, where he finally found the freedom to openly share his passion for generosity with the clients he works with. Colby shares on topics like how generosity can radically impact your marriage, why we’re called to challenge others towards generosity, and stories of lives he’s seen changed from his perspective as a financial advisor. Listen now to hear all he had to share.
QUOTES TO REMEMBER
- “Generosity will never be off the table”
- “God doesn’t need our money, He wants our heart. But He can do incredibly impactful things with whatever we give.”
- “You can’t fail with God on your side.”
- “God is compounding returns for eternity.”
- “We think about emotional intimacy, or spiritual intimacy, but we often don’t think about financial intimacy.”
- “Couples that incorporate generosity free themselves to have a lot more fun, financial intimacy, and success.”
- “Every client that comes in here, God has brought here.”
- “How do you know when you’ve won the game? How do you know when you’ve reached the finish line?”
- “I don’t know if I want to be comfortable. How do we put ourselves in situations that make us uncomfortable?”
LINKS FROM THE SHOW
- Biola University Center for Marriage and Relationships
- Kiva Microfinance
- The Seven Principles for Making Marriage Work by John Gottman
- Ronald Blue and Co., CPA (see our interview with founder, Ron Blue)
- Ronald Blue Trust (see our interview with founder, Ron Blue)
- What Makes a Leader Great by Russ Crosson
- Hope International (see our interview with founder, Jeff Rutt or CEO, Peter Greer)
- John Rinehart (see our interview with John here)
- The Finiancial Finish Line Calculator
- The Finish Line Community Facebook Group
- The Finish Line Community LinkedIn Group
BIBLE REFERENCES FROM THE SHOW
1 Timothy 6:10 | The Love of Money is the Root of All Evil
For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.
Mark 4:30 | 30, 60 and 100 fold
But those that were sown on the good soil are the ones who hear the word and accept it and bear fruit, thirtyfold and sixtyfold and a hundredfold.
Matt. 6:24 | You Cannot Serve God and Money
No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.
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Monday Oct 24, 2022
Monday Oct 24, 2022
Patrick Johnson is the founder of Generous Church, which catalizes biblical generosity through global church and ministry networks. Patrick started his career in the finance industry for 10 years before God got his attention through Randy Alcorn’s book, the Treasure Principle. From there, he spent time on staff with Generous Giving during it’s formational early years as well as the National Christian Foundation, where he developed an extensive network of generosity-minded leaders.
In 2011, Patrick left NCF to launch Generous Church with the goal of empowering church leaders to catalyze movements of gospel-centered generosity in their congregations. During those years, he surveyed over 40,000 Christians about their giving beliefs and practices with some absolutely fascinating conclusions.
Armed with the knowledge from his extensive experience and research, in 2019 Patrick brought Generous Church to the rest of the world. Through GC’s Generosity Design Lab, Patrick’s team empowers leaders of church and ministry networks all over the world to design generosity training that is completely customized and contexualized to best reach their own country and culture.
What’s the result? In just 3 years, Generous Church has helped networks in over 74 countries start generosity movements that have spread like wildfire.
Few people have a better bird’s eye perspective on what it takes to communicate the power of generosity. Listen now to hear Patrick’s thoughts on topics like the core motivations of the most generous people, why money is so dangerous for our faith, and why the U.S. in particular struggles so much with creating a culture of generosity.
QUOTES TO REMEMBER
- “What really drives me with the message of generosity is the gospel.”
- “I am a wanderer by heart, and God never let’s me go. He always brings me back.”
- “Money can be dangerous.”
- “Money has a particular power to it, which is dangerous.”
- “Money is a particularly effective idol because you can count it, you can store it, and it keeps its power when you keep it in the dark.”
- “The narrative of scripture is not about investing, it’s not about saving, it’s not about debt – though those are in there. It’s about generous giving.”
- “Why don’t you take scripture face up for what it is and sit with God and ask Him what He would have you do with it.”
- “Generosity is about discipleship.”
- “We were created in the image of a generous God to be generous.”
- “Don’t think you can be a disciple of Jesus and leave generosity off the table.”
- “One of the common characteristics of the most generous people I’ve met is that they all set a spending finish line.”
- “I see in every generous person I know that they have a deep, abiding relationship with Christ that’s real and tangible.”
- “By far, the people who are motivated by the gospel and by grace are the most generous people from a financial perspective.”
- “You have to have margin, and you have to be intentional about margin early on.”
- “The two biggest leverage points are what house you live in and what car you drive.”
LINKS FROM THE SHOW
- Generous Church
- Generous Church's Generosity Design Lab
- The Treasure Principle (see our interview with author Randy Alcorn)
- Generous Giving (see our interviews with cofounders Todd Harper and David Wills and CEO, April Chapman)
- National Christian Foundation (see our interview with President Emeritus, David Wills)
- LeaderSource
- The Finish Line Community Facebook Group
- The Finish Line Community LinkedIn Group
BIBLE REFERENCES FROM THE SHOW
Matt 10:17-23 | The Rich Young Ruler
17 And as he was setting out on his journey, a man ran up and knelt before him and asked him, “Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” 18 And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone. 19 You know the commandments: ‘Do not murder, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your father and mother.’” 20 And he said to him, “Teacher, all these I have kept from my youth.” 21 And Jesus, looking at him, loved him, and said to him, “You lack one thing: go, sell all that you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.” 22 Disheartened by the saying, he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions. 23 And Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, “How difficult it will be for those who have wealth to enter the kingdom of God!”
Matt. 6:24 | You Cannot Serve God and Money
No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.
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Monday Oct 10, 2022
Monday Oct 10, 2022
Mark and Sharon Taylor own a successful real estate company in Florida. However, halfway through their career, God gave them a wake up call that completely changed their priorities. Since that time, Mark and Sharon have become passionate about the advancement of the gospel around the world and using the wealth and success God has given them to fuel that mission.
Not only has God dramatically changed their focus and trajectory, but He has challenged their children too. Mark and Sharon frequently involve their kids in their business ventures and giving decisions and have learned a lot along the way.
More recently, Mark and Sharon have been walking through the process of giving away a large property that they own. They worked with the National Christian Foundation to navigate their complex gift and broke down what the process looks like from the inside.
Mark and Sharon had plenty to say on topics like being generous with a fluctuating income, handling windfalls, thoughts on legacy and inheritance, giving as a family, and making complex gifts of property and appreciated assets. Listen now to hear all they had to share!
QUOTES TO REMEMBER
- “We began to measure our business against a biblical standard.”
- “It just seemed like when we were honoring God, He was standing right there with us.”
- “You get so much more out of giving than you do out of getting.”
- “Money was never the thing that drove us in what we did.”
- “It’s important to know how to finish life well.”
- “There’s a difference between being a Christian who is a financial advisor, and being a financial advisor who advises his clients as to what their Christian responsibilities ought to be.”
- “We don’t have an income finsih line, we have an asset finish line.”
- “I think 2022 is going to be the year that we give more than we earn.”
- “I thought it would be really easy to give money away, but it’s hard!”
- “I want to make as much money as I can possilby make, and give it all to the kingdom.”
- ‘I want to take money out of the world and put it into the kingdom.”
- “Now I have a purpose for the money I try to earn.”
LINKS FROM THE SHOW
- Generous Giving (see our interviews with cofounders Todd Harper and David Wills and CEO, April Chapman)
- Celebration Conference with Generous Giving
- The Treasure Principle (see our interview with author Randy Alcorn)
- Ronald Blue Trust (see our interview with founder, Ron Blue)
- National Christian Foundation (see our interview with President Emeritus, David Wills)
- God and Money, by Greg Baumer and John Cortines (see our interviews with John and Greg)
- Kingdom Advisors (see our interview with founder, Ron Blue)
- The Finish Line Community Facebook Group
- The Finish Line Community LinkedIn Group
BIBLE REFERENCES FROM THE SHOW
Matt 6:3 | Giving in Secret
3 But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing,
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